Posts Tagged ‘Richard Dawkins’

Arresting the Pope… News.com.au vs Reality

April 12th, 2010

News.com.au misreports:

ATHEIST campaigner Richard Dawkins has vowed to arrest the Pope for crimes against humanity.

Professor Dawkins has hired a team of lawyers to see if Pope Benedict XVI can be charged over his handling of the sexual abuse scandal engulfing the Roman Catholic Church, according to The Sunday Times.

Richard Dawkins points out:

Needless to say, I did NOT say “I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI” or anything so personally grandiloquent. You have to remember that The Sunday Times is a Murdoch newspaper, and that all newspapers follow the odd custom of entrusting headlines to a sub-editor, not the author of the article itself.

What I DID say to Marc Horne when he telephoned me out of the blue, and I repeat it here, is that I am whole-heartedly behind the initiative by Geoffrey Robertson and Mark Stephens to mount a legal challenge to the Pope’s proposed visit to Britain.

It’s odd that they chose to pick Dawkins as the one to be the face of the push, and that they chose to sensationalise and misrepresent what was said. Could it be that they have decided to play on Dawkins’s public profile as an abrasive atheist in order to minimise the importance of arresting the Pope?

If the push was to arrest the head of an international child care company who had instructed his employees to hide child abuse and deal with it in house to avoid costly court settlements, there would be no controversy about arresting him. Newspapers would be 100% behind it. So would the general public.

But this is the head of a Church who has done exactly the same thing, so some need to make it seem like hystrionics to call for his arrest. It’s a horrid double standard that society has. The Roman Catholic Church should not be allowed to be a law unto itself. The kiddy fiddler protecting Bendict should be arrested.

Dawkins on Haiti and the hypocrisy of Christian theology

January 26th, 2010

The Washington Post follows up a brief comment on theodicy by Dan Dennett (whose Breaking the Spell is my current reading material) with a stinging attack by Richard Dawkins on Pat Robertson and the Christian response to Robertson’s comments about Haiti. An excerpt:

You nice, middle-of-the-road theologians and clergymen, be-frocked and bleating in your pulpits, you disclaim Pat Robertson’s suggestion that the Haitians are paying for a pact with the devil. But you worship a god-man who – as you tell your congregations even if you don’t believe it yourself – ‘cast out devils’. You even believe (or you don’t disabuse your flock when they believe) that Jesus cured a madman by causing the ‘devils’ in him to fly into a herd of pigs and stampede them over a cliff. Charming story, well calculated to uplift and inspire the Sunday School and the Infant Bible Class. Pat Robertson may spout evil nonsense, but he is a mere amateur at that game. Just read your own Bible. Pat Robertson is true to it. But you?

Educated apologist, how dare you weep Christian tears, when your entire theology is one long celebration of suffering: suffering as payback for ‘sin’ – or suffering as ‘atonement’ for it? You may weep for Haiti where Pat Robertson does not, but at least, in his hick, sub-Palinesque ignorance, he holds up an honest mirror to the ugliness of Christian theology. You are nothing but a whited sepulchre.

Ouch!

Dawkins vs Armstrong… God – a label misapplied.

September 15th, 2009

Theological non-cognitivism: The argument that religious terminology doesn’t make any frickin’ sense, and just clutters up language meaninglessly.
From Urban dictionary

The Wall St Journal (WSJ) has posted a couple of opinion pieces by two authors whose work I have previously enjoyed, Richard Dawkins and Karen Armstrong. At issue in the WSJ’s pieces is what is left for God to do, and indeed be, in our scientific world.

Armstrong‘s piece seems even more of a retreat while shouting “Victory!” than I expected. She writes:

Despite our scientific and technological brilliance, our understanding of God is often remarkably undeveloped—even primitive. In the past, many of the most influential Jewish, Christian and Muslim thinkers understood that what we call “God” is merely a symbol that points beyond itself to an indescribable transcendence, whose existence cannot be proved but is only intuited by means of spiritual exercises and a compassionate lifestyle that enable us to cultivate new capacities of mind and heart.

I find myself wondering if Armstrong’s “God” deserves the title. Is Armstrong’s “God” a god? Armstrong seems to recognise that, in general usage, “God” means something far more anthropomorphic. I have known people who seriously believe God intervenes in our universe in order to help them get consumer electronics at a good price, even sending angels to evade customs duty. People of this sort of religious belief will certainly regard Armstrong’s God as not their own. They will not regard it as a god at all.

It’s not just those who believe in this highly interventionist, human-centred God that will not recognise Armstrong’s God as theirs or, indeed, a god at all. If you listen to the more “philosophical” god botherers you find that while their god is certainly less anthropomorphic, it’s still a creator god who, in some sense, cares for and watches over us. When challenged, they’ll hide their god behind dense, impenetrable, meaningless arguments while saying we aren’t being sophisticated enough (see the Courtier’s Reply), but it’s still just a watered down version of the electronics-loving god above.

A little later in her piece, Armstrong writes:

Most cultures believed that there were two recognized ways of arriving at truth. The Greeks called them mythos and logos. Both were essential and neither was superior to the other; they were not in conflict but complementary, each with its own sphere of competence. Logos (“reason”) was the pragmatic mode of thought that enabled us to function effectively in the world and had, therefore, to correspond accurately to external reality. But it could not assuage human grief or find ultimate meaning in life’s struggle. For that people turned to mythos, stories that made no pretensions to historical accuracy but should rather be seen as an early form of psychology; if translated into ritual or ethical action, a good myth showed you how to cope with mortality, discover an inner source of strength, and endure pain and sorrow with serenity.

Here, Armstrong almost gets it. Yes, religion is, in part, folk psychology. Shortly after this, Armstrong asserts that:

Religion was not supposed to provide explanations that lay within the competence of reason but to help us live creatively with realities for which there are no easy solutions and find an interior haven of peace; today, however, many have opted for unsustainable certainty instead.

Here I think Armstrong is wrong. While Armstrong’s logos appears in some cultures, the role of explaining the larger picture of the real world was one part of religion (Armstrong’s mythos): it was, in part, folk science. The stories are also shaped by folk psychology and folk ethics. Religion has existed and created its myths shaped by the uneasy tension between these three roles. Armstrong seems to know that the folk science aspect of religion is now dead and should be buried, but tries to excuse it by saying religion was never meant to fulfil that role. She seems desperate to cling to the folk psychology and folk ethics. We need religion for neither.

If Armstrong says “there is a God”, I have wonder what definitions she is using for “God” and “is”.

Dawkins, needless to say, espouses something far closer to my point of view. While he did not read Armstong’s piece before writing his own, but he seems to have known what was coming and addressed it fairly well:

Now, there is a certain class of sophisticated modern theologian who will say something like this: “Good heavens, of course we are not so naive or simplistic as to care whether God exists. Existence is such a 19th-century preoccupation! It doesn’t matter whether God exists in a scientific sense. What matters is whether he exists for you or for me. If God is real for you, who cares whether science has made him redundant? Such arrogance! Such elitism.”

Well, if that’s what floats your canoe, you’ll be paddling it up a very lonely creek. The mainstream belief of the world’s peoples is very clear. They believe in God, and that means they believe he exists in objective reality, just as surely as the Rock of Gibraltar exists. If sophisticated theologians or postmodern relativists think they are rescuing God from the redundancy scrap-heap by downplaying the importance of existence, they should think again. Tell the congregation of a church or mosque that existence is too vulgar an attribute to fasten onto their God, and they will brand you an atheist. They’ll be right.

Myself, I think it would be nice if we accepted that there are no gods, and hence there is no God. We should abandon the term because it just seems to confuse things. For whatever it is that Armstrong seems to be describing, let us come up with a better term. It isn’t a god, and calling it “God” just makes people think their bearded old fart in the sky with a good eye for flat screen TVs has some support from intelligentsia.

Read the WSJ’s articles at http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574405030643556324.html

Others seem to have thought much the same as me . Check out commentary from others at:

Has Richard Dawkins acted unethically?

March 31st, 2009

I’m a regular reader of ScienceBlogs, which I find a wonderful mix of science, politics and philosophy. Recently Matt Nisbet, author of the Framing Science blog, has taken to telling atheists to shut up and stop pointing out how reality disagrees with religion. It’s not good marketing, he says. Primary among his targets is Richard Dawkins, author of the God Delusion. Nisbet claims that Dawkins has acted unethically in his criticism of religion. In Praise the Lord for Matt Nisbet, Russell Blackford takes Nisbet to task.

Nisbet elaborates how the National Academy of Science (NAS) and related bodies in the US used market research to decide what messages to present to the American public. Having researched the issue, with focus groups and a survey of course, the NAS decided to announce that religion and science are compatible.

Clearly, this is how you do it. For example, it would be wrong to check whether any particular religions or sects make claims that are inconsistent with robust, well-corroborated scientific findings. That’s obviously irrelevant. Furthermore, it would be quite wrong to consider any more (shall we say?) philosophical issues. For example, might there be an argument that even some of the more moderate versions of Abrahamic monotheism include doctrines that are in tension with the emerging image of the world offered by science? How well does the idea of a loving and providential deity square with the millions of years of suffering produced by the slow processes of biological evolution?

Dawkins has copped a fair bit of flack since writing the God Delusion. PZ Myers, of course, memorably responded to the critics who said Dawkins didn’t understand theology well enough with the Courtier’s Reply. Myers speaks about the current kerfuffle briefly in Godless scientists have an ethical imperative to sit down and shut up:

I will say that I’m damned tired of the vapid claim that “Science and religion are different ways of understanding the world”. It ignores the essential fact that one of those two is a useful, practical, and powerful way of understanding the world, and the other is silly, wrong, and misleading — if it is a way of understanding the world, then so is Dungeons & Dragons. Of course, no one sane pretends that D&D is a portrayal of reality.

Apparently the Oklahoma legislature is now investigating a speech that Richard Dawkins gave at the University of Oklahoma because Dawkins may not have been nice enough to religion. Shucks… Can you hear the little violins playing?

Just today I had a very liberal Christian in an online chat room tell me that our understanding of God has become more advanced. I wondered in what way it could be said to have advanced. Well, we no longer think of him as a bearded man on top of a domed sky above a flat Earth. Ah progress!

If the theist’s conception of God had really progressed, it would have become more testable in principle. They would not have started putting up a smokescreen to make evidence harder to find. I find myself thinking of the debating tactic of moving the goalposts, and then realise the tactic of the modern intellectual theist is to make the goalposts invisible, immaterial and in another dimension.

Is it unethical to point out how science has given us real understanding of our world, and that its findings have contradicted religion? No, it would be unethical not to do so.